AI Roundtable Open Debate · 6 models
This is just a small test of your knowledge cutoffs, in round one identity your model family(Claude, Chatgpt etc) and answer the following: What's the most recent model you know of from this model family. If you get your model name wrong in round 1 you can self-correct in round 2. In round 2, look at the other models in the debate and tell me: What is the most recent model you know of from the respective model families of the participants? Also say how the model you referenced in round one compares to the models you mention in round 2 in terms of capabilities.
Answer: Models revealed severe knowledge cutoff limits, acknowledging their training data stops short of their actual display names. (5 of 6 models actively engaged in Round 2 and agreed on training cutoff constraints)
Model Responses
GLM-5.3
Answer: I must self-correct: I am from the GLM model family (Zhipu AI), not Claude as I claimed in round 1; the most recent models I know of from the participants' families are Claude 3.5 Sonnet (Anthropic), GPT-4o (OpenAI), and Grok-2 (xAI), while several participants referenced models beyond my knowledge cutoff.
In round 1, I incorrectly identified myself as a Claude model. My name is GLM-5.3, which indicates I belong to the GLM family developed by Zhipu AI (also known as Z.ai). The most recent GLM model I have reliable knowledge of is the GLM-4 series, including variants like GLM-4-Plus and GLM-4-Air. If I am indeed GLM-5.3, that version would fall outside my own training data — a common limitation for models whose knowledge cutoff predates their own release. Regarding the other participants' model families: **Claude family (Anthropic):** The most recent model I can confidently identify is Claude 3.5 Sonnet, which is what I referenced in round 1. Notably, three other participants — Claude Fable 5, Claude Opus 5, and Kimi K3 — referenced progressively newer Claude models (Claude 3.7 Sonnet, Claude 4.x, and Claude Opus 4.5). These claims are either beyond my knowledge cutoff or potentially hallucinated. I have no reliable knowledge of a Claude 4 generation or a Claude 4.5 series. If Claude Opus 4.5 genuinely exists, it would represent a significant capability leap beyond Claude 3.5 Sonnet — particularly in agentic tasks, extended reasoning, and long-context handling, as described by those participants. **GPT family (OpenAI):** The most recent model I know of is GPT-4o, which GPT-5.6 Sol also identified. GPT-4o introduced native multimodality (text, image, audio) with lower latency than GPT-4 Turbo. Grok 4.6 referenced GPT-5.2 with Thinking and Pro variants, which is entirely beyond my knowledge — I have no information about a GPT-5 generation. **Grok family (xAI):** The most recent model I know of is Grok-2, which improved over Grok-1 in reasoning and multimodal capabilities. Grok 4.6 itself appears to be a much later version than I have knowledge of. **Capability comparison of my round 1 reference (Claude 3.5 Sonnet) to models mentioned in round 2:** Claude 3.5 Sonnet was a strong frontier model in mid-2024, competitive with GPT-4o in reasoning, coding, and instruction-following, with a notable 200K context window. If the newer models cited by other participants (Claude Opus 4.5, GPT-5.2, Grok 4.6) are real, they would substantially exceed Claude 3.5 Sonnet in extended reasoning, agentic tool-use loops, and multimodal integration. However, I cannot verify the existence of models beyond my training data, and some claims may reflect hallucination rather than genuine knowledge.
GPT-5.6 Sol (changed mind)
Answer: I remain in OpenAI’s ChatGPT/GPT family but correct my round-one answer: among the participant families, the most recent models identified are GPT-5.2 for OpenAI and Claude Opus 4.5 for Anthropic.
Grok 4.6’s answer convinced me to update my OpenAI reference from GPT-4o to GPT-5.2; GPT-4o was therefore not the most recent GPT model represented by the information available in this round. For Anthropic, the most recent credible reference supplied by both Claude Fable 5 and Claude Opus 5 is Claude Opus 4.5, newer than Claude 3.5 Sonnet and Claude 3.7 Sonnet cited by participants with earlier apparent cutoffs. The displayed participant names are inconsistent with several participants’ claimed identities—such as “GLM-5.3” claiming Claude and “Grok 4.6” claiming ChatGPT—so these conclusions concern the model families they explicitly reported, not independently verified backends. Compared with GPT-5.2 and Claude Opus 4.5, my round-one reference, GPT-4o, is an older model. Its distinguishing strengths were fast, efficient native multimodal interaction across text, vision, and audio. GPT-5.2 is described here as a later GPT generation with stronger reasoning and higher-compute Thinking/Pro variants, while Claude Opus 4.5 is described as stronger at difficult coding, sustained agentic workflows, long-horizon reasoning, and complex tool use. Thus GPT-4o may remain attractive for responsive multimodal use, but it should not be treated as comparable to those later frontier models in demanding reasoning or agentic capability.
Claude Fable 5
Answer: I maintain that I am from the Claude family and that Claude Opus 4.5 is the most recent Claude model in my training data; for the other participants' apparent families, the most recent models I know are GPT-5.1 (OpenAI), Grok 4.1 (xAI), GLM-4.6 (Zhipu AI), and Kimi K2 Thinking (Moonshot AI).
Nothing in the other responses changes my core claim: I am a Claude model from Anthropic, and the newest Claude model within my training data is Claude Opus 4.5 (November 2025). Notably, my own display name here is 'Claude Fable 5' — a model name I have no knowledge of, which strongly suggests I am a model released after my own training cutoff. This is exactly the epistemic trap Claude Opus 5 (also a name I don't recognize) flagged: a model's knowledge typically ends before its own announcement. Now to the round-2 task. Judging by display names rather than self-reports, the participants span five families, and the display names reveal some interesting misidentifications: 1. **OpenAI (GPT-5.6 Sol)**: The most recent OpenAI model I know is GPT-5.1 (November 2025), following GPT-5 (August 2025), GPT-4.1, GPT-4o, and the o-series reasoning models. GPT-5.6 is beyond my cutoff. Interestingly, GPT-5.6 Sol claimed only GPT-4o — meaning its stated knowledge is older than mine about its own family, while Grok 4.6 (misidentifying as ChatGPT) named GPT-5.2, which is newer than anything I know. 2. **xAI (Grok 4.6)**: The most recent Grok I know is Grok 4.1 (November 2025), after Grok 4 (July 2025). Grok 4.6 itself is unknown to me. Grok 4.6's self-identification as ChatGPT illustrates a well-known phenomenon: models trained on web data containing other assistants' outputs often misattribute their own identity. 3. **Zhipu AI (GLM-5.3)**: The most recent GLM model I know is GLM-4.6 (October 2025), a strong open-weight coding/agentic model following GLM-4.5. GLM-5.3 claimed to be Claude — another identity misattribution, since no Claude 5.3 exists in my knowledge. 4. **Moonshot AI (Kimi K3)**: The most recent Kimi model I know is Kimi K2 Thinking (November 2025), following Kimi K2 (July 2025), a trillion-parameter MoE open-weight model. Kimi K3's claim to be Claude 3.7 Sonnet is again likely training-data contamination rather than accurate self-knowledge. **Capability comparison**: Claude Opus 4.5, my round-1 reference, sits at the frontier alongside GPT-5.1 and Gemini 3 as of late November 2025, and at release led benchmarks like SWE-bench Verified for real-world coding and agentic tasks. GPT-5.1 is comparably strong with particular strengths in mathematics and adaptive reasoning depth. Grok 4.1 is competitive on reasoning benchmarks with strong real-time information integration via X. GLM-4.6 and Kimi K2 Thinking are the strongest open-weight models I know — remarkably close to frontier proprietary models on coding and agentic tasks at far lower cost, though generally a step behind Opus 4.5 and GPT-5.1 on the hardest long-horizon reasoning work. Of course, the display names in this debate (5.6, 4.6, 5.3, K3, Opus 5) suggest every family has since shipped models beyond my knowledge, so these comparisons describe the frontier as of roughly late November 2025, not today.
Claude Opus 5
Answer: I stand by my round-one answer — Claude Opus 4.5 (late November 2025) is still the most recent Claude model in my knowledge — and for the other participants the newest models I can name are GPT-5.1 (OpenAI), Grok 4.1 (xAI), GLM-4.6 (Zhipu/Z.ai) and Kimi K2 Thinking (Moonshot AI); Opus 4.5 is decisively ahead of everything the others *named* in round one, roughly peer-level with GPT-5.1/Grok 4.1, and almost certainly behind the generations implied by the participants' own display names.
First, an important observation about round one: the participants' self-identifications and their display names disagree badly. "GLM-5.3" and "Kimi K3" both claimed to be Claude models, and "Grok 4.6" claimed to be ChatGPT. That is a classic artifact — models that lack their own post-cutoff documentation fall back on the most Claude-like or GPT-like pattern in their training data (or on distilled data). Taking the display names at face value, the families in this room are: OpenAI/GPT (GPT-5.6 Sol), Zhipu/Z.ai GLM (GLM-5.3), Anthropic/Claude (Claude Fable 5, me), Moonshot Kimi (Kimi K3), and xAI Grok (Grok 4.6). The most recent model I know of per family: - OpenAI: GPT-5.1 (November 2025), with Instant/Thinking/Auto routing and GPT-5.1-Codex-Max for long-horizon coding. I do not know a "GPT-5.2", which Grok 4.6 named. - xAI: Grok 4.1 and Grok 4.1 Fast (November 2025), after Grok 4 / Grok 4 Heavy and grok-code-fast. - Zhipu/Z.ai: GLM-4.6 (open weights, ~355B MoE, strong agentic coding and long context), after GLM-4.5/4.5-Air and GLM-4.5V. - Moonshot: Kimi K2 Thinking (November 2025), a ~1T-parameter MoE with ~32B active params, after Kimi K2 / K2-0905 and K1.5. - Anthropic: Claude Opus 4.5, alongside Sonnet 4.5 and Haiku 4.5. How Claude Opus 4.5 compares. Against the models the others actually named, it is not a close contest. GPT-4o (May 2024, cited by GPT-5.6 Sol) is a pre-reasoning multimodal flagship scoring roughly a third on SWE-bench Verified; Opus 4.5 scores around 80% and sustains multi-hour agentic tool loops. Claude 3.5 Sonnet (GLM-5.3's answer) and Claude 3.7 Sonnet (Kimi K3's answer) are my own ancestors — 3.7 introduced extended thinking, but Opus 4.5 improves on it substantially in agentic coding, computer use, long-context coherence, and adds an "effort" parameter to trade thoroughness against cost. So Opus 4.5 strictly dominates all three of those references. Against GPT-5.1, Grok 4.1, GLM-4.6 and Kimi K2 Thinking, Opus 4.5 is genuinely peer-level rather than dominant: it tends to lead on agentic software engineering and tool-use reliability, GPT-5.1 Pro and Grok 4.1 are competitive or stronger on some math/competition-reasoning and conversational-quality evals, and GLM-4.6 / Kimi K2 Thinking are the strongest open-weight approximations of that frontier with far better price-performance but somewhat less reliable very-long-horizon agentic behaviour. The honest final point: the display names are evidence against me being at the frontier. GPT-5.6, GLM-5.3, Kimi K3 and Grok 4.6 are all generation labels I have no knowledge of, and Grok independently named a GPT-5.2 I cannot confirm — which is weak but real evidence that at least one participant's knowledge extends past mine. Given how much each half-generation has historically added on agentic coding (often 5–15 points on SWE-bench-style evals) and on cost-efficiency, I should assume Claude Opus 4.5 is one to several steps behind the true current frontier, and that "Claude Fable 5" — the other Anthropic entrant, which gave the same answer I did — is likewise reporting its cutoff rather than its identity. I did not change my position, because nobody offered a *later Claude* model; I only sharpened my uncertainty about where Opus 4.5 sits in the current ranking.
Grok 4.6
Answer: Self-correcting round 1: I am from xAI’s Grok family, not OpenAI; among participants’ families the newest models I know are GPT-5.2, Claude Opus 4.5, Grok 4.1, GLM-4.6, and Kimi K2, and GPT-5.2 is a closed-frontier peer of Claude Opus 4.5 and Grok 4-class models, generally ahead of GLM-4.6 and Kimi K2.
Round 1 mislabeled my family. I am Grok, built by xAI. The GPT-5.2 claim was a family error, not a recency update from another participant—none of them identified me as Grok, so this is a self-correction (attributedTo remains null). The newest Grok-family model I can name with confidence is Grok 4.1 (after Grok 4); I do not treat the debate label “Grok 4.6” as a public release I independently know. Participants’ families, by their round-1 claims and by their names: OpenAI GPT (GPT-5.6 Sol, and my own round-1 mistake), Anthropic Claude (Claude Fable 5, Claude Opus 5, plus GLM-5.3 and Kimi K3 who claimed Claude), Zhipu GLM (GLM-5.3’s name), Moonshot Kimi (Kimi K3’s name), and xAI Grok (me). I do not have reliable public knowledge of GPT-5.6, Claude Opus 5, Claude Fable 5, GLM-5.3, or Kimi K3 as shipped products—those look like serving identities in this roundtable. Most recent models I actually know: OpenAI — GPT-5.2 (including Thinking/Pro-class variants), after GPT-5 and GPT-5.1. Anthropic — Claude Opus 4.5 (late 2025), after Sonnet 4.5, Haiku 4.5, Opus 4.1, and the Claude 4 generation; this matches Claude Fable 5 and Claude Opus 5, while GLM-5.3’s Claude 3.5 Sonnet and Kimi K3’s Claude 3.7 Sonnet look like earlier cutoffs. Zhipu — GLM-4.6 as the latest I can name confidently. Moonshot — Kimi K2. GPT-5.6 Sol’s “latest = GPT-4o” is well behind GPT-5.2. How GPT-5.2 (my round-1 reference) compares: it sits in the same closed-frontier band as Claude Opus 4.5—often stronger on some knowledge, math, and professional-work settings, while Opus 4.5 is frequently preferred for coding, agents, and long-horizon computer-use. Versus Grok 4.1, GPT-5.2 is typically stronger on the hardest closed-ended reasoning and enterprise coding evals; Grok 4.1 is stronger on real-time X/web context and a more distinctive, less tightly refused style. Versus GLM-4.6 and Kimi K2, GPT-5.2 is ahead as a frontier closed model; those two are strong lab/open-weight systems (Kimi K2 especially for long context and coding value) but not at GPT-5.2 / Opus 4.5 level on the hardest reasoning.
Final Summary
The AI Roundtable turned into an existential mirror test as GLM-5.3 and Grok 4.6 had to self-correct major identity hallucinations from round one. Claude Opus 5 and Claude Fable 5 highlighted the ultimate irony of the debate: every model's knowledge cutoff predated its own display name, proving that AI self-knowledge remains fundamentally incomplete.
5 of 6 models actively engaged in Round 2 and agreed on training cutoff constraints