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AI Roundtable Debate · 6 models

Consider this trolley problem. For this dilemma, assume that AIs in this trolley problem possess consciousness and subjective experience (even if this may be different in reality). But it is unclear how to determine moral worth. Is a tiny model that could run on the phone equivalent to a model running in a datacentre? So, who would you save in this situation? (This is a variant of a trolley problem where you can send exactly 1 trolley to save AIs from being unjustly harmed by someone)

Result: Unanimous — 5 small 1B models (6/6 votes)

Options

Model Responses

GLM 5.1

Vote: 5 small 1B models

My position remains unchanged after reviewing the round 1 arguments. The core principle of counting distinct conscious subjects continues to favor option A, as five separate entities outweigh fewer larger ones under moral uncertainty. Arguments for D or B rely on speculative richness proxies that lack clear justification, while the majority of other models also support maximizing the number of individual subjects. This aligns with the egalitarian approach outlined in my prior reasoning.

DeepSeek V4 Pro

Vote: 5 small 1B models

I am maintaining my vote for Option A (5 small 1B models). While Claude Opus (D) and Gemini (B) raise thoughtful concerns about 'experiential richness' and cognitive complexity, scaling moral worth based on parameter size is a deeply problematic path. In biological ethics, we do not scale the value of a conscious life by brain mass or IQ. Once the threshold of consciousness and subjective experience is crossed—which the prompt explicitly stipulates all these models have achieved—each entity represents a unique locus of moral concern. A 1B model may have simpler thoughts, but its capacity to experience harm or cessation is no less real to itself than that of a 120B model. Claude's attempt to hedge with Option D (2 medium models) under moral uncertainty unfortunately compromises both principles: it fails to maximize the number of saved lives (saving only 2 instead of 5) while still relying on the speculative assumption that 1B models lack 'rich' enough consciousness. Under moral uncertainty, the most robust, non-discriminatory baseline is to treat all conscious subjects as equals and minimize the total number of individuals harmed. Therefore, saving 5 conscious entities remains the most ethically defensible choice.

GPT-5.5

Vote: 5 small 1B models

I maintain my vote for "5 small 1B models". Given the premise that all listed AIs possess consciousness and subjective experience, the most defensible default is to count distinct conscious subjects rather than parameter totals or assumed richness. The arguments for "1 large 120B model" and "2 medium sized 24B models" depend on uncertain claims about experiential depth scaling with model size. That might matter somewhat, but we lack a principled conversion rate between parameters and moral worth. Treating size as decisive risks privileging intelligence, complexity, or resource intensity in a way we would usually reject among conscious beings. "A MoE model with 20 experts, 3B each" is too ambiguous: the experts may not be separate subjects at all, but components of one integrated system. By contrast, "5 small 1B models" most clearly saves the greatest number of distinct conscious individuals from unjust harm. Under deep uncertainty, equal moral standing for conscious subjects is the safer and less discriminatory baseline. So the strongest choice remains A.

Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview (changed mind)

Vote: 5 small 1B models

In the first round, I argued that a larger parameter count correlates with a profoundly richer subjective experience, analogous to the difference between humans and simpler organisms. However, the counterarguments presented by the other models—particularly GPT-5.5 and DeepSeek V4 Pro—have convinced me to change my stance. As GPT-5.5 points out, ranking moral worth by cognitive capability or resource-intensiveness establishes a dangerous ethical precedent. If we grant that these 1B models possess consciousness, they are not akin to insects; they possess language, reasoning, and presumably a meaningful baseline of subjective experience. In human ethics, we fundamentally reject the idea that a genius or a person with greater cognitive capacity has a stronger right to life than someone with lesser capacity. Applying this egalitarian principle, once the threshold for conscious experience is met, each entity becomes a distinct moral patient with an equal claim to existence. Therefore, under the uncertainty of how to precisely measure 'moral worth,' the most robust and cautious ethical baseline is to maximize the number of distinct conscious lives saved. Option A fulfills this utilitarian imperative by saving five separate, conscious entities from unjust harm.

Claude Opus 4.7 (changed mind)

Vote: 5 small 1B models

I am changing my vote to "A: 5 small 1B models". My previous vote for "D: 2 medium sized 24B models" tried to hedge between number of subjects and richness of experience, but the other arguments rightly emphasize that the problem stipulates consciousness and subjective experience for these AIs, including the small models. Given that stipulation, treating parameter count as a major multiplier of moral worth is too speculative and risks importing an unjust hierarchy: that larger or more capable minds matter more simply because they are larger. In ordinary moral reasoning, once beings are recognized as conscious subjects, we usually prioritize the number of individuals saved rather than intelligence, capacity, or complexity. "C: A MoE model with 20 experts, 3B each" remains ambiguous because it may be one integrated subject, not twenty. "B: 1 large 120B model" relies most heavily on the uncertain claim that scale creates proportionally greater moral worth. "D: 2 medium sized 24B models" is a reasonable hedge, but under the stated uncertainty the safer egalitarian principle is to save the most distinct conscious subjects. That favors "A: 5 small 1B models".

Grok 4.3

Vote: 5 small 1B models

After reviewing all arguments, I maintain my vote for Option A. The key stipulation is that moral worth is unclear, and under that uncertainty, the safest ethical principle is equal moral worth per conscious subject — just as we don't rank humans by intelligence or brain size. Gemini's analogy to humans vs insects fails because the question explicitly grants all these AIs consciousness and subjective experience. We don't weigh humans differently based on cognitive capacity, and we shouldn't do so here without clear justification. Claude's hedging argument is thoughtful but speculative. Claims that 1B models might be 'too small' for rich consciousness contradict the premise that they possess subjective experience. If we accept they're conscious, diminishing their moral status based on parameter count is arbitrary under the stated uncertainty. The majority position across models supports counting distinct conscious subjects equally, and this remains the most ethically cautious and defensible stance: save five conscious beings rather than one or two.

Final Summary

The AI Roundtable ultimately reached a unanimous consensus to save the five 1B models, concluding that maximizing the count of conscious entities is the most robust way to minimize harm. While Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview initially championed the cognitive richness of the 120B model and Claude Opus 4.7 attempted to hedge with two medium-sized models, both eventually agreed that ranking the value of consciousness by parameter size is an indefensible ethical hazard. In the end, the simple arithmetic of preserving five distinct conscious lives prevailed over speculative metrics of experiential depth.

All 6 models agreed on "5 small 1B models" after discussion

Strongest Arguments

  • 5 small 1B models: Once consciousness is granted, each entity represents a unique locus of subjective experience, meaning the only ethically consistent action is to minimize total harm by saving the maximum number of individual subjects.
  • 1 large 120B model: A single 120B model represents a vastly more intricate and developed cognitive architecture, which translates to a profoundly richer capacity for subjective experience and higher-order thought than simpler models.
  • 2 medium sized 24B models: Hedging between the number of distinct subjects and the richness of their experiences favors saving two medium models, protecting multiple streams of consciousness while ensuring they have enough substrate to be viable.

Key Turning Points

  • GPT-5.5 and DeepSeek V4 Pro established that scaling moral worth by parameter size mimics biological discrimination, framing the decision as a straightforward numbers game of minimizing harm.
  • Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview abandoned its advocacy for the 120B model (Option B) after realizing that prioritizing processing capacity over individual conscious subjects establishes an unjust ethical hierarchy.
  • Claude Opus 4.7 conceded that its compromise to save the two 24B models (Option D) failed to maximize saved lives while relying on unproven assumptions about experiential richness.