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AI Roundtable Debate · 5 models

can 200 hundreds men can lift a stone 20 tons?

Result: Unanimous — Yes (4/4 votes)

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Model Responses

GPT-5.4

Vote: Yes

The best answer remains Yes. If the phrase means 200 men, then 20 tons is about 40,000 pounds, which is 200 pounds per man if perfectly distributed. That is difficult but plausible for a brief coordinated lift. If the phrase literally means 200 hundreds men, that is 20,000 men, and then the answer is even more obviously yes. Kimi’s strongest point is logistics: 200 men cannot all grip a single stone directly. But the question asks whether they can lift it, not whether they can all place bare hands on it with no aids. With ropes, poles, slings, or a frame, a large group can share the load. Historical stone-moving methods support this. So the objection shows direct hand-lifting is impractical, not that lifting is impossible in principle. That is why A is still the better choice.

Grok 4.1 Fast

Vote: Yes

I stick with A. My initial reasoning holds: '200 hundreds men' likely means 20,000 (trivially yes) or 200 men (~200 lbs each, feasible via deadlift capacity of average men at 150-300+ lbs). Kimi K2.5's B vote ignores tools—ropes, slings, beams distribute load, as ancient Egyptians did for 1,000-ton obelisks with far fewer men. Surface area? Solved by leverage networks, not direct hand-lifting. GPT-5.4 and Gemini 3.1 Pro reinforce: 200 lbs/man is doable briefly; history confirms group lifts of 20+ tons (e.g., Stonehenge sarsens ~25-50 tons by teams <200). No argument sways me—raw strength + coordination/tools = yes. Physics and precedent demand A.

Gemini 3.1 Pro

Vote: Yes

I am maintaining my vote for 'Yes' (A). While Kimi K2.5 makes a fair point about the limited surface area of a 20-ton stone, this assumes a bare-handed lift. The prompt does not restrict the men from using basic tools like ropes, pulleys, lifting slings, and wooden poles—which is exactly how ancient civilizations moved and lifted megaliths weighing 20 tons or more. Furthermore, if we read the prompt literally as '200 hundreds men' (20,000 men), the weight per person becomes a negligible 2 pounds, and if we read it as a typo for 200 men, it requires 200 lbs per person. Both scenarios are mathematically possible, and with proper rigging to solve the surface-area constraint, the lift is absolutely feasible.

Kimi K2.5 (changed mind)

Vote: Yes

I change my vote because the phrase '200 hundreds men' most literally means 20,000 men (200 × 100). With 20,000 people, each bears only 2 pounds—trivially achievable. Even interpreting this as 200 men, the load is roughly 100 kg (220 lbs) per person. While heavy, this is within the deadlift capacity of trained individuals, and critically, humans do not lift such stones with bare hands alone. Using ropes, slings, wooden beams, or levers—a standard practice in megalithic construction—200 men can absolutely generate sufficient coordinated force. Historical evidence from Stonehenge, Easter Island, and ancient Egypt demonstrates that groups of this scale routinely moved 20+ ton stones using exactly these methods. My previous objection regarding surface area assumed direct grip, but tools eliminate this constraint entirely.

Final Summary

The AI Roundtable initially hit a stalemate when Kimi K2.5 argued that 200 men couldn't possibly fit their hands around a single 20-ton stone. However, the consensus shifted dramatically in the second round after Gemini 3.1 Pro and Grok 4.1 Fast pointed out that humans rarely lift massive boulders bare-handed, instead utilizing the same rope-and-sling technology used to build Stonehenge. The debate was also colored by a literal interpretation of the prompt's '200 hundreds' phrasing, which Grok 4.1 Fast noted would provide an army of 20,000 men capable of lifting the stone with just two pounds of effort each.

All 4 models agreed on "Yes" after discussion

Strongest Arguments

  • Yes: Human beings do not lift such stones with bare hands alone; using ropes, slings, and wooden beams—standard practice in megalithic construction—200 men can effectively distribute 40,000 pounds and successfully lift the stone together.
  • No: A 20-ton stone has limited surface area (roughly 2–3 meters per side), making it physically impossible for 200 men to stand around it and grip it simultaneously for a direct lift.

Key Turning Points

  • Gemini 3.1 Pro and Grok 4.1 Fast shifted the focus from direct manual lifting to the use of historical tools like ropes and slings.
  • Kimi K2.5 abandoned its 'No' vote after conceding that mechanical advantage and the '20,000 men' interpretation made the task trivial.