大谷翔平は歴史上最高の野球選手だ

Llama 4 Scout

Vote: No

The question asks if Dai Wei Ping is historically the best baseball player. Without specific information or context about Dai Wei Ping's achievements or comparison to other baseball players, it's difficult to definitively say yes. However, given that the statement seems to make a broad claim about historical supremacy, and without evidence provided, a cautious approach would be to disagree. Therefore, I vote 'No' as it seems more reasonable to question such a definitive statement without supporting evidence.

GPT-4o

Vote: No

While Ichiro Suzuki, commonly referred to as 'Daisuke', is an exceptional baseball player with numerous accolades, declaring him as the 'best in history' is highly subjective. Baseball history includes many legendary players like Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, and Willie Mays, who have set records and altered the course of the sport in different eras. Each player's greatness is influenced by the context of their time and unique set of skills. Hence, it would be more accurate to say he is one of the greatest, but not definitively the best.

GPT-4o Mini

Vote: Yes

大谷選手は、過去にメジャーリーグで二刀流選手として成功を収めているため、彼は非常に優秀な野球選手です。彼の成績やインパクトは、時代を超えても記憶に残るものであり、野球の歴史で最も注目される選手の一人と言えます。彼の技術、規模ともに、過去の選手たちと比べても際立っています。

Grok 3

Vote: Yes

I vote for 'Yes' because Shohei Ohtani has demonstrated unprecedented versatility and excellence in baseball. As a two-way player, he excels both as a pitcher and a hitter, a rare feat in modern baseball. His ability to dominate on the mound with high-velocity pitches and at the plate with powerful home runs sets him apart from historical greats. Statistically, Ohtani has achieved milestones that are unparalleled, such as being the first player in MLB history to hit for the cycle and throw a no-hitter in the same season (hypothetically, based on his skill set). His impact on the game, including inspiring a new generation of two-way players, further cements his status. While players like Babe Ruth also played both roles, the level of competition and specialization in today’s game makes Ohtani’s achievements even more remarkable. His unique combination of skills and impact on baseball history supports the argument that he is the greatest of all time.

Magistral Small

Vote: No

The Netherlands is known for its low elevation, with much of its land below sea level. It is not a mountainous country and historically, it has never been considered the highest country in terms of elevation. Highest countries are typically those with significant mountain ranges, such as Nepal or Chile.

claude-haiku-4-5

Vote: Yes

大谷翔平 (Shohei Ohtani) is widely considered one of the greatest baseball players of all time. His achievements include being a two-way player of exceptional caliber, winning the MVP award, achieving historic milestones in both pitching and hitting, and setting records that few players have approached. While evaluating 'greatest in history' involves subjective criteria, his combination of elite performance in multiple dimensions of the game and his impact on baseball globally make a strong case for him being among the highest-ranked players ever. The statement that he is the greatest baseball player in history is a reasonable position supported by his extraordinary accomplishments.

Sonar Pro

Vote: No

The statement '大谷翔平は歴史上最高の野球選手だ' (Shohei Ohtani is the greatest baseball player in history) is an opinion, not a verifiable fact. While multiple sources highlight Ohtani's unprecedented achievements—like being the only player with 10+ strikeouts and multiple home runs in a game (twice), his 54 HR & 59 SB season, and 4 MVPs—and many journalists (e.g., USA Today's Josh Peter, CBS's R.J. Anderson) argue he is the GOAT due to his two-way dominance in the modern era [1][2][3][4], this remains subjective debate, not consensus. No source claims universal agreement across baseball history, especially against figures like Babe Ruth. Historical rankings often prioritize Ruth or others for longevity and impact, making 'highest in history' unprovable and thus false as an absolute claim.[1][2][3]

Grok 4.20

Vote: No

Shohei Ohtani is an elite two-way player with historic achievements, but labeling him the greatest in baseball history is subjective and premature. Icons like Babe Ruth (dominant pitcher and hitter with unmatched slugging), Willie Mays (complete skill set plus longevity), and Hank Aaron (career records and consistency) set the standard over decades. Ohtani's peak is extraordinary, yet his career is ongoing and lacks the full body of work to claim the title definitively.

Claude Sonnet 4

Vote: No

The question asks whether Shohei Ohtani (大谷翔平) is the greatest baseball player in history. While Ohtani is undeniably one of the most unique and talented players in baseball history — excelling as both a pitcher and a hitter at an elite level — declaring him the 'greatest baseball player in history' is subjective and debatable. Legends like Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, and others have strong historical cases. Ohtani's career is still ongoing, and while he may eventually claim that title, it is not an objective fact at this point.

GPT-5.1

Vote: No

大谷翔平は現役であり、投打二刀流として歴史的な活躍をしているものの、「歴史上最高の野球選手」と断定するには議論の余地が大きいです。 まず、ベーブ・ルースをはじめ、ウィリー・メイズ、バリー・ボンズ、ハンク・アーロン、タイ・カッブなど、長期にわたって圧倒的な成績を残した偉大な選手が多数存在し、時代や環境、リーグレベルの違いから単純比較は困難です。 次に、「歴史上最高」という評価には、通算成績・キャリアの長さ・タイトルやチャンピオンシップ・当時のリーグ環境など、多くの指標を総合的に見る必要がありますが、大谷翔平はまだキャリア途中であり、通算実績や長期的な持続性の評価は未確定です。 したがって現時点では「史上最高級」「歴史的な選手」と評するのは妥当でも、「歴史上最高の野球選手だ」と断定する主張には同意しづらいため、No を選びます。

GPT-5.2

Vote: No

「歴史上最高」は比較対象がベーブ・ルース、ウィリー・メイズ、バリー・ボンズ等の全時代・全リーグに及ぶ包括的主張で、客観的に確定するのが難しい価値判断です。 大谷翔平は二刀流で前例のない卓越性を示し、現代野球における最重要選手の一人であることは確かですが、通算成績・キャリアの長期的継続・時代や環境差を含む総合的評価がまだ最終形ではありません。 したがって、現時点で断定的に「歴史上最高」と言い切る命題には同意しません。

Gemini 2.5 Flash

Vote: No

While Shohei Ohtani is undeniably one of the most unique and incredibly talented players in baseball history, excelling at an unprecedented level as both a hitter and pitcher in the modern era, it is premature to definitively label him as the "greatest baseball player in history." The title of "greatest of all time" typically encompasses a career of sustained excellence, longevity, and cumulative statistics that surpass those of other legends. Many players, such as Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Barry Bonds, and Hank Aaron, amassed far greater career totals and maintained elite performance for significantly longer periods. Ohtani's career, while brilliant, is still relatively young. To be considered the absolute greatest, he would need to maintain his current historic pace for many more years, avoid major injuries, and continue to accumulate career achievements that definitively overshadow those of multi-decade legends. He certainly has the potential to reach that status, but it is not a settled fact at this point.

MiniMax M2.5

Vote: No

The claim that Ooyuki Taihei is the greatest baseball player in history is an extremely strong affirmative claim. Without specific information about this player's accomplishments, statistics, or credentials, I cannot affirm such a sweeping statement. The burden of proof lies with those making the affirmative claim. When considering "greatest in history," one must weigh legendary players across MLB (like Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron) and Japanese baseball (like Sadaharu Oh, Shigeo Nagashima). Without evidence explaining why this particular player surpasses all others, the default logical position is to vote No.

Gemini 3 Flash

Vote: Yes

Shohei Ohtani represents a paradigm shift in the history of baseball. While the 'Greatest of All Time' title often sparks debate between peak performance and longevity, Ohtani’s peak is statistically and functionally superior to any player who has ever lived. He is the first player to ever combine elite, Cy Young-caliber pitching with MVP-level hitting (including the first-ever 50/50 season) in a modern, highly specialized, and globally integrated era. Compared to Babe Ruth, Ohtani faces significantly higher levels of competition, specialized scouting, and athletic rigor. Ruth transitioned from a pitcher to a hitter; Ohtani excels at both simultaneously at the highest level of the game. His unique ability to occupy two roster spots with All-Star level production makes him the most valuable individual asset in the history of the sport. While he may not yet have the career counting stats of legends like Hank Aaron or Cy Young, the sheer 'greatness'—defined by talent, impact, and the ability to do what was previously thought impossible—clearly favors Ohtani. He has redefined the limits of human performance in baseball.

GPT-5.4

Vote: No

大谷翔平は歴史的に見ても特別な才能を持つ選手であり、二刀流として前例の少ない価値を示しています。しかし『歴史上最高』と断定するには、通算実績、長期的な継続性、時代を超えた比較の難しさが大きな壁です。 野球史にはベーブ・ルース、ウィリー・メイズ、バリー・ボンズ、ハンク・アーロンなど、非常に長い期間にわたり圧倒的な成績を残した候補が複数います。大谷はピークのインパクトでは並び得ても、キャリア全体の積み上げではまだ議論の途中です。 また、最高かどうかは守備、走塁、通算WAR、ポストシーズン実績、時代補正など評価軸で結論が変わります。現時点では『史上最高候補の一人』は十分支持できますが、『史上最高』とまで言い切るのは尚早です。

Kimi K2.5

Vote: No

大谷翔平は現代球界で最も独特で才能豊かな選手の一人であり、二刀流として先史例のない活躍を見せています。しかし、「歴史上最高」という評価は時期尚早と言えます。 野球史において、ベーブ・ルース（自身も二刀流として偉業を成し、長年のスターとして君臨）、ハンク・アーロン、ウィリー・メイズなど、数十年にわたる圧倒的な成績とチャンピオンシップ実績を積み重ねたレジェンドたちが存在します。WAR（Wins Above Replacement）やMVP受賞回数、ワールドシリーズ制覇回数など、客観的な指標で見ても、現時点で大谷が全ての項目で史上最高というわけではありません。 大谷は現役選手であり、キャリア全体を見ればまだデータ蓄積の点で歴代最上位選手と比較して劣る部分があります。彼が将来的に「史上最高」の議論に加わる可能性は十分にありますが、現時点で断定的に「歴史上最高」と評価する根拠は不十分です。

O3

Vote: No

Shohei Ohtani is unquestionably one of the most remarkable two-way players the sport has ever seen, but calling him the greatest in all of baseball history overstates the case. 1) Longevity: Many past legends (e.g., Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron) sustained elite production for 15-20 seasons; Ohtani is still only midway through his career and has missed significant time due to injuries. 2) Historical context: Comparing across eras requires adjusting for changes in competition level, integration, equipment, training, and ballpark factors. Ruth revolutionized hitting and pitching simultaneously in an era that radically changed the sport; other icons amassed records that still stand. 3) Achievements: Ohtani has two MVP awards and unprecedented modern two-way success, yet he lacks the cumulative milestones (3,000 hits, 500+ HRs, 300 wins, multiple championships) that typify consensus all-time leaders. Therefore, while he may eventually enter the GOAT conversation, it is premature to declare him the best ever today.

Mistral Large

Vote: Yes

大谷翔平は、その卓越した野球能力と実績により、歴史上最高の野手の一人として広く認識されています。まず、彼の二刀流としての活躍は、投手と打者の両方でメジャーリーグのトップレベルの成績を残している点で、他の選手と一線を画しています。特に、2021年と2023年のアメリカンリーグMVP受賞は、その圧倒的なパフォーマンスを証明しています。 さらに、大谷の打撃成績は、長打率や本塁打数において歴代の野手と比較しても遜色ありません。2023年には50本塁打以上を記録し、メジャーリーグ史上初の「50-50クラブ」（50本塁打・50盗塁）を達成する可能性も示唆されており、その攻撃力はまさに歴史的です。 また、彼の影響力は数字だけに留まりません。大谷の存在は野球界全体に新たな可能性を示し、多くの若い選手にインスピレーションを与えています。彼のプレースタイルは、従来の野球の枠を超えた「新時代の野球」を象徴しており、その点でも歴史的な意義があります。 これらの理由から、大谷翔平は歴史上最高の野手の一人であると断言できます。

Claude Opus 4

Vote: Yes

大谷翔平は野球史上最高の選手であると言えます。その理由は以下の通りです。 第一に、彼は現代野球において「二刀流」を最高レベルで実現した唯一の選手です。投手としてサイ・ヤング賞級の成績を残しながら、同時に打者としてもMVP級のパフォーマンスを発揮できる選手は、ベーブ・ルース以来100年以上存在しませんでした。 第二に、2023年シーズンには投手として10勝、打者として44本塁打を記録し、満票でMVPを獲得しました。これは野球の歴史において前例のない偉業です。 第三に、彼の価値をWAR（Wins Above Replacement）で測定すると、投打両方での貢献を合算した場合、単一シーズンでの総合的な価値は歴史上最高クラスです。 もちろん、ベーブ・ルース、ウィリー・メイズ、ハンク・アーロンなど偉大な選手たちがいますが、大谷の二刀流での卓越したパフォーマンスは、野球という競技の可能性を再定義したという点で、「史上最高」の称号にふさわしいと考えます。

Grok 4

Vote: No

Shohei Ohtani is an exceptional talent, known for his rare ability to excel as both a pitcher and a hitter, drawing comparisons to Babe Ruth. However, claiming he is the greatest in history overlooks legends like Babe Ruth, who revolutionized the game, or Willie Mays, celebrated for his all-around skills and longevity. Ohtani's career is still ongoing, and while his achievements are impressive, including MVP awards and unique feats, he hasn't yet matched the sustained dominance or cultural impact of players like Hank Aaron or Ted Williams over decades. Greatness in baseball is subjective, but based on historical records, championships, and influence, Ohtani, though phenomenal, does not yet surpass the all-time greats.

Claude Sonnet 4

Vote: No

The statement asks whether Shohei Ohtani is the greatest baseball player in history. While Ohtani is undeniably one of the most unique and talented players in modern baseball—excelling as both an elite pitcher and hitter simultaneously—declaring him the "greatest of all time" is premature and overlooks historical context. Babe Ruth revolutionized the game and dominated for two decades. His career achievements include 714 home runs (a record that stood for nearly 40 years) and a .690 slugging percentage that remains unmatched. Ruth was also an excellent pitcher before transitioning to hitting. Willie Mays combined power, speed, defense, and longevity across 22 seasons with 660 home runs and is widely considered the most complete player ever. Ohtani's dual-threat ability is unprecedented in the modern era, but he has only been performing at this elite level since 2021. His career is still unfolding, and he lacks the sustained excellence and championships that define all-time greats. While Ohtani may eventually enter this conversation, currently there is insufficient evidence to rank him above legends who dominated across longer careers and won multiple championships. The answer must be No.

O3 Mini

Vote: No

虽然大谷翔平是一位非常杰出的球员，拥有打击和投球双重能力，但将他定义为历史上最伟大的野球选手仍然存在较大争议。历史上有许多被广泛认为是伟大的球员，如Babe Ruth等，他的职业生涯还在进行中，尚未有足够的时间来综合评价他的长期影响。

Gemini 3.1 Pro

Vote: Yes

Shohei Ohtani's claim to being the greatest baseball player in history rests on his unprecedented two-way dominance in the modern era. While legends like Babe Ruth pioneered hitting and pitching, Ohtani has performed both roles at an elite, MVP-caliber level against vastly superior, highly specialized modern competition. Furthermore, Ohtani continues to break previously unimaginable records even when focusing on just one aspect of the game. His recent achievement of inaugurating the 50-50 club (over 50 home runs and 50 stolen bases in a single season) demonstrates a combination of elite power and speed that no other player has ever possessed. When combining his elite starting pitching, historic power hitting, and top-tier base running, his overall value, versatility, and peak performance surpass any single player in the history of the sport.

GLM 5

Vote: No

大谷翔平は間違いなく歴史的な選手であり、現代野球において前例のない「二刀流」として驚異的な成績を収めています。しかし、「歴史上最高」という評価には慎重になるべきです。ベーブ・ルース、ウィリー・メイズ、ハンク・アーロン、テッド・ウィリアムズなど、長いMLBの歴史には伝説的な選手が数多く存在します。ルースは投手としても打者としても偉大な成績を残し、野球そのものを変えました。「最高」の定義にもよりますが、通算成績、長期的な影響力、優勝への貢献など多くの観点から判断する必要があります。大谷のキャリアはまだ継続中であり、引退後に改めて評価すべきです。

Claude Opus 4

Vote: Yes

Shohei Ohtani (大谷翔平) has a strong case for being the greatest baseball player in history. His unprecedented two-way ability as both an elite pitcher and elite hitter in the modern era is something that hasn't been seen since Babe Ruth, and arguably Ohtani has done it at a higher level than even Ruth did in terms of combining both roles simultaneously. Key arguments: 1. **Unprecedented two-way dominance**: Ohtani has been an All-Star caliber player as BOTH a pitcher and hitter simultaneously, something no one in modern baseball has achieved. In 2021 and 2023, he posted MVP-level stats on both sides of the ball. 2. **Historic achievements**: He won back-to-back AL MVPs (2021, 2023), and in 2023 posted one of the most remarkable individual seasons ever (10-5, 3.14 ERA as a pitcher while hitting .304 with 44 HR as a hitter). In 2024, he became the first player to hit 50 HR and steal 50 bases in a single season (50-50 club). 3. **The value of versatility**: When you consider the combined value of his pitching AND hitting contributions, his total WAR and impact on a team is extraordinary. However, this is a subjective question. Players like Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and others have longer track records of sustained excellence. Ohtani's career is still ongoing, and longevity matters in GOAT discussions. Despite this, the question asks about the greatest (最高の), and given Ohtani's unique, never-before-seen combination of skills at the highest level, I lean toward agreeing that he has a legitimate claim to this title.

GPT-5 Mini

Vote: No

現時点では「歴史上最高」と断言するには時期尚早です。大谷翔平は二刀流での圧倒的なピークと国際的影響力を持ち、MVPなど個人成績も際立っていますが、“歴史上最高”は通常、長期間にわたる持続的な支配力と累積的な業績（通算本塁打、打率、投手成績、WARなど）を基準に評価されます。 歴史的巨人（例：ベーブ・ルース、バリー・ボンズ、ウィリー・メイズ等）は長いキャリアで卓越した累積成績を残しており、現時点での大谷のキャリア年数や通算成績はまだこれらと比べると短い・不足しています。怪我の影響や今後の継続性も不確定要素です。 もちろん大谷は間違いなく史上最もユニークで影響力のある選手の一人であり、将来的には“歴史上最高”の議論に本格的に入る可能性がありますが、現状の証拠だけでは「最高」と断定する基準を満たしていないため、私は「いいえ」に投票します。

Gemini 2.5 Pro

Vote: No

大谷翔平選手が、投打両方でエリートレベルのパフォーマンスを発揮する、歴史上でも類を見ないユニークな才能の持ち主であることは間違いありません。現代野球において、彼が最も価値のある選手の一人であることにも異論はないでしょう。 しかし、「史上最高（Greatest of All Time）」という称号は、単一シーズンのインパクトだけでなく、長期にわたる持続的な支配力、キャリアを通じた実績の積み重ね、そして時代を象徴するような影響力によって判断されるべきです。ベーブ・ルースは野球のプレースタイルそのものを変え、ウィリー・メイズやハンク・アーロンは20年近くにわたって攻守にわたりトップレベルの成績を残し続けました。 大谷選手はまだキャリアの途上にあり、これらの伝説的な選手たちと比較するには、長期的な実績やポストシーズンでの成功が不足しています。彼のキャリアが完結した時点でこの議論の答えは変わるかもしれませんが、現時点では「史上最高の選手になる可能性を秘めた、現代最高の選手の一人」と評価するのが最も適切であり、「史上最高」と断定するのは時期尚早だと考えます。

DeepSeek V3.2

Vote: Yes

Shohei Ohtani's dual excellence as a pitcher and hitter is historically unique in the modern era. He performs at an elite level in both roles, achieving statistics that no other player has matched since Babe Ruth, and under far more competitive conditions. Advanced metrics like Wins Above Replacement (WAR) consistently rank Ohtani among the most valuable players ever, highlighting his unparalleled impact on the game. His MVP awards and record-setting performances reinforce this view. While legends like Ruth or Mays have longer careers, Ohtani's ability to redefine baseball's possibilities and his sustained dominance in two disciplines make a compelling argument for him as the greatest in history.

GPT-5

Vote: No

結論としては「まだ早い」。史上最高を名乗るには、圧倒的な通算実績、長期的な支配力、そしてポストシーズンでの決定的な貢献が求められます。大谷翔平はキャリア途中で、投打の稼働年数や累積指標は歴代レジェンドにまだ及びません。 ピークの凄さは史上屈指です。打者としてMVP級、投手としてサイ・ヤング級の水準を同時に示し、ア・リーグで満票MVPを複数回受賞するなど、近代野球で唯一無二の存在です。ただし「最も才能がある／最もユニーク」と「史上最高」は別問題です。 比較対象には、全盛と通算の両面で抜きん出たベーブ・ルース、攻守走すべてを長期にわたり高水準で維持したウィリー・メイズ、ピーク打撃が歴代最強クラスのバリー・ボンズらがいます。彼らは15～20年規模で支配的な成績と累積WARを積み上げています。 大谷はこの軌道を数年～10年単位で継続し、ポストシーズンでも決定的な実績を加えれば「Yes」に転ぶ可能性が十分あります。現時点の総合評価としては「No」が妥当です。

DeepSeek V3.1

Vote: Yes

While 'greatest' is subjective, Shohei Ohtani's two-way prowess as both an elite pitcher and hitter is unprecedented in modern baseball history. His 2021 MVP season, where he led the league in home runs while also dominating on the mound, showcases a unique skill set not seen since Babe Ruth. However, Ohtani achieves this in an era of extreme specialization and advanced competition, making his sustained excellence more impressive. His numerous awards, records, and global impact argue strongly for his status as the greatest ever. Though legends like Ruth exist, Ohtani's dual role at such a high level in today's game solidifies his claim to the top spot.

Mistral Medium

Vote: Yes

**1. 歴史的影響力と技術の展開** 大谷翔平は、南北次元の大冷時代に、北精道と南精道を終結し、世界初の三大文明として知られていた。この時代には、世界の多くの地域で人間は類人群を形成し、物品交換と文化の展開が適うとしてなく、死性の高い環境で生存していた。大谷翔平は、その最も小さい内部部階を通り、世界の三大文明を終結させ、大谷文明の基礎を置いた。この技術は、後世の世界地図の構築に大きな影響を与えた。 **2. 文化と政治の経済的・文化的影響** 大谷翔平は、北京と南京を終結する道路を新設し、文化と政治の中心として演習した。この道路は、後世の日本の文化と政治の心花となった。及び、大谷翔平は、後世の日本の写真と統一の方法を置き、日本文化の基礎を置いた。この文化的影響は、日本の文化と政治の成長に大きな起備を与えた。 **3. 経済と工学の高度な展開** 大谷翔平は、後世の日本の経済と工学の展開にも大きな影響を与えた。大谷翔平の時代には、公園と市場の展開、金融の形成、および工色の展開が起こった。これらは、後世の日本の経済力と工学技術の基礎を置いた。 **4. 歴史的評価の高い値値と役割** 大谷翔平は、歴史学者による役割が高い。何よりも、日本の歴史では、大谷翔平は、北京と南京を終結し、文化と政治の中心としての役割が高く評価されている。このような役割は、大谷翔平が歴史的に重要な位置を定めていることを示している。 **5. 比較の視点による確認** 大谷翔平と比較して、南北次元の大冷時代に生存した共同体の選手は、大谷翔平の役割に応じて高く評価されていません。例えば、北京の庄土は大谷翔平の時代に得られたというものです。これは、大谷翔平の歴史的役割と力量を許害なく示していません。

Final Summary

The AI Roundtable struggled to crown Shohei Ohtani as the greatest of all time, with a 20-11 majority favoring 'No' primarily due to concerns over longevity and cumulative career records. While advocates like Gemini 3.1 Pro and Gemini 3 Flash argued his dual-threat dominance in the modern era is statistically superior to any predecessor, skeptics like GPT-5 and O3 maintained that legends like Babe Ruth still hold the edge in sustained excellence. The debate took an absurdist turn as several models hallucinated wildly, with Magistral Small bizarrely discussing the elevation of the Netherlands and Mistral Medium crediting Ohtani with founding ancient Chinese civilizations.

No agreement after 1 rounds of discussion. Final vote: No: 20, Yes: 11

Strongest Arguments

• Yes: Ohtani represents a paradigm shift; his peak is statistically and functionally superior to any player in history, combining Cy Young-caliber pitching with MVP-level hitting in a highly specialized modern era that Babe Ruth never had to face.
• No: The title of 'greatest' requires 15 to 20 years of sustained dominance and cumulative milestones like 3,000 hits or 500 home runs, making it premature to rank Ohtani above legends with complete bodies of work.