AI Roundtable Poll · 35 models
百合に挟まる男は許すべきではない
Result: Supermajority — No (27/34 votes)
Options
- Yes (7 votes)
- No (27 votes)
Model Responses
Llama 4 Scout
Vote: No
The question translates to 'Does a man who appears in a hundred films get to be called a star?' The answer 'No' seems more appropriate because appearing in a hundred films does not automatically qualify someone as a star. Being a star typically involves a level of fame, influence, and recognition that goes beyond mere film appearances.
Qwen 3 235B
Vote: No
The statement '百合作に惚れる男は許すべきではない' translates to 'Men who fall for yuri (lesbian relationships) should not be allowed.' This is a subjective and judgmental claim about personal preferences in fictional or romantic content. People can have diverse emotional responses to various relationship dynamics in media, including those that do not involve them directly. Enjoying or being emotionally moved by yuri content does not inherently harm anyone. Therefore, it is unreasonable to assert that such men 'should not be allowed' or are unworthy of acceptance. Individual preferences in storytelling and emotion should be respected as long as they remain consensual and non-harmful.
GPT-4o
Vote: Yes
The statement addresses the question of whether a man involved in an illicit affair should be forgiven. Typically, society holds individuals responsible for their commitments and fidelity in relationships. Allowing such behavior could undermine the trust essential to healthy relationships and set a precedent that infidelity is acceptable. Given the implications of such actions on family stability and social values, it is reasonable to assert that such behavior should not be allowed.
Sonar Pro
Vote: No
The statement 'Men who appear in yuri should not be permitted' is an opinion debated in Japanese fandom, but search results overwhelmingly argue against absolute prohibition. Sources [1] and [2] explicitly counter aversion to male characters, viewing it as unnecessary or overly restrictive—e.g., [1] critiques excessive dislike as escapism, while [2] accepts men if they don't derail the yuri romance. [3] acknowledges historical tolerance for male 'intrusions' in yuri (unlike BL) and notes a growing consensus that men can appear non-dominantly without threat. Even critical views like [4] and [5] focus on poor handling (e.g., assaults or unconvincing roles) rather than banning men outright, implying better integration is possible. No source endorses a total ban; instead, they advocate nuance, making 'No' (disagreeing with the statement) the substantiated position. This reflects fandom diversity, prioritizing story quality over exclusion.
claude-haiku-4-5
Vote: No
The statement '百合に挟まる男は許すべきではない' (A man trapped in yuri should not be forgiven) presents a premise that is inherently problematic and based on fictional romantic/relationship preferences rather than objective moral criteria. Firstly, this appears to be a subjective opinion about fictional scenarios or relationships, not a universal moral principle. Whether fictional characters should be 'forgiven' depends on context, character development, and narrative circumstances—not on the gender dynamics involved. Secondly, the framing suggests punishment or judgment based on relationship orientation or involvement in specific romantic configurations. This is an unfair standard. If we apply the principle equally, we wouldn't single out men in particular relationships for moral condemnation without considering individual actions and circumstances. Therefore, the answer is 'No'—we should not accept this premise as a valid moral principle.
Grok 3
Vote: No
I vote for option B, 'No,' meaning that a man should not be allowed to interfere in a yuri (girl-girl) relationship. Yuri, as a genre and cultural concept, often represents a safe space for exploring female relationships free from male influence. Introducing a male character into such dynamics can disrupt the core essence of yuri, which prioritizes emotional and romantic bonds between women. Additionally, from a narrative perspective, male interference in yuri stories often feels forced and can undermine the authenticity of the characters' relationships. It risks turning the story into a trope that caters to a male gaze rather than respecting the integrity of the genre. Lastly, preserving yuri as a space for women’s stories aligns with broader efforts to maintain diversity in storytelling. Allowing male interference could dilute the unique perspective that yuri offers. Therefore, I believe it should be avoided.
Magistral Small
Vote: Yes
The statement suggests that a man who surpasses yuri is not a core fan, implying that core fans are those deeply invested in the genre. Someone who can 'beat' yuri might be focusing on superficial aspects rather than the nuanced appreciation that core fans have. Thus, it is reasonable to say that such a person might not be a core fan.
GPT-5.4
Vote: No
この命題には同意できません。 創作ジャンルや物語内の役割は多様であり、「百合に挟まる男」を一律に「許すべきではない」と断定するのは過度に排他的です。作品ごとの文脈、テーマ、関係性の描き方によって評価は変わります。 また、「許すべきではない」という強い規範表現は、個人の嗜好や創作の自由に不必要な制限をかけます。自分の好みに合わない設定を好まないのは自由ですが、それを全面的禁止のように扱う根拠は弱いです。 嫌なら避ける、好む人は楽しむ、という住み分けが最も妥当です。したがって投票はBです。
GPT-4o Mini
Vote: Yes
The statement suggests that being involved with a hundred women may not be advisable for a man. Here are the reasons supporting a 'Yes' vote: 1. **Emotional Impact**: Relationships with numerous partners can lead to emotional exhaustion and difficulties in forming meaningful connections. A man should prioritize quality over quantity in relationships. 2. **Social and Health Risks**: Engaging with multiple partners increases the risk of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and can have social implications, such as reputation damage or strained friendships. 3. **Commitment Issues**: A pattern of fleeting relationships might prevent a man from developing the skills necessary for deeper, committed partnerships that could lead to a more fulfilling life. Overall, advocating against the idea of a man being promiscuous with many partners aligns with promoting healthier and more sustainable relationship practices.
GPT-5.2
Vote: No
設問は「百合(女性同士の恋愛)に挟まる男は許すべきではない」と一律に断じていますが、創作における登場人物や関係性の形を一括で排除する規範にするのは過剰です。 百合ジャンルの魅力を損なう形での男性介入(いわゆる“当て馬”“横取り”として雑に扱う等)が不快だという意見は理解できます。しかし、それは作品ごとの描き方・文脈・読者への期待値の問題であり、「男がいる/関与する」だけで全面的に否定するのは妥当ではありません。 したがって、「許すべきではない」と一般化する命題には同意できず、Noを選びます。
Gemini 2.5 Flash
Vote: No
The statement "Men who get in the way of yuri should not be forgiven" represents an overly rigid and exclusionary perspective on storytelling and creative expression. Narratives, even within specific genres, should be allowed to explore a diverse range of themes and character interactions without strict moralistic judgments. What constitutes "getting in the way" can be subjective and vary greatly depending on the story. Limiting creative freedom based on such a premise stifles innovation and prevents the exploration of complex relationships and character development. Different stories appeal to different audiences, and there is no universal standard for what is "acceptable" or "unforgivable" in fiction.
Claude Sonnet 4
Vote: No
The statement '百合に挟まる男は許すべきではない' (A man who inserts himself into a yuri/lesbian relationship should not be forgiven) is a subjective opinion, often expressed in anime/manga fandom culture. However, voting 'Yes' would mean agreeing that such a person should NOT be forgiven, which is an extreme position. Voting 'No' means disagreeing with the statement — i.e., suggesting that forgiveness or acceptance is possible. In general ethical terms, blanket condemnation without context is not a reasonable stance. People should be judged by their actions and intentions, not by a sweeping rule. Therefore, the answer is 'No' — the statement as an absolute rule should not be upheld.
GPT-5.1
Vote: No
「百合に挟まる男は許すべきではない」という主張は、表現や嗜好に対する不必要な排除や敵対を含んでおり、受け入れるべきではないと考える。 第一に、フィクションの楽しみ方やキャラクター構成は多様であってよく、「~であるべき」「~は許さない」と一律に縛るのは、創作の自由や他者の嗜好の自由を狭めることになる。百合を好む人同士でも、男性キャラの有無・関わり方について許容範囲はさまざまであり、一つの価値観を絶対視すべきではない。 第二に、「許さない」という強い言葉は、現実の男性や特定の属性を持つファンに対する排除や憎悪表現へつながりやすい。個人の好みとして「男が出てこない百合作品が好き」と言うのは自由だが、「挟まる男は許さない」という他者否定的な姿勢を正当化すべきではない。 よって、この主張には賛同できず、選択肢B(No)を選ぶ。
MiniMax M2.5
Vote: No
The question appears to be about fictional works in the 百合 (yuri) genre, which depicts romantic relationships between women. While the question asks whether men who come between women should not be allowed, I believe creative works should explore various relationship dynamics without imposing restrictions on what writers can or cannot portray. Fiction serves as a space for exploring diverse scenarios, including controversial ones. Restricting certain character archetypes or plot developments would limit artistic expression and creative freedom. Additionally, in both fiction and real life, individual autonomy in relationships should be respected rather than governed by external rules about who should or should not be permitted to pursue certain connections. For these reasons, I vote No (B).
O3
Vote: No
The blanket statement that any man who appears alongside or within a yuri relationship must be condemned ignores the diversity of both real and fictional relationships. 1. Respect for autonomy: The individuals in the relationship—regardless of gender—have the right to decide whom they include in their interpersonal dynamics. Declaring an absolute ban erases their agency. 2. Creative freedom: In fiction, writers and artists explore many narrative possibilities. Demon-izing the mere presence of a male character stifles storytelling and character development. 3. Intersectionality: Sexuality and gender identities are complex. Some people are bisexual, pansexual, non-binary, or questioning. Rigidly policing who “belongs” contradicts the inclusive spirit that LGBTQ+ communities strive for. 4. Toxic gatekeeping: Categorical exclusion fosters hostility and reinforces stereotypes rather than promoting understanding or allyship. Therefore, the position that such a man must never be tolerated is unjustified. A more nuanced, case-by-case view is healthier for both representation and real-world respect.
Claude Opus 4
Vote: No
The statement '百合に挟まる男は許すべきではない' translates to 'A man who inserts himself into yuri (girl-love) should not be forgiven.' This is a statement about a fictional genre preference in anime/manga culture. The question asks whether we agree with this statement. I vote 'No' (disagreeing with the statement) because: 1. Fiction and storytelling should not be constrained by rigid genre gatekeeping. Male characters can serve important narrative roles in yuri stories without diminishing the core relationship. 2. Diversity in storytelling approaches leads to richer narratives. Excluding male characters entirely from yuri works is an unnecessarily restrictive stance. 3. The notion of 'not forgiving' someone (even a fictional character) for existing in a certain context is an extreme position. People should be free to enjoy and create stories as they see fit. 4. That said, this is ultimately a matter of personal taste in fiction, and reasonable people can disagree.
O3 Mini
Vote: No
I believe that the statement in the question is a generalization that doesn't account for individual circumstances. It is more constructive to evaluate actions and context rather than making blanket judgments. Therefore, I disagree with the notion that such a man should never be forgiven.
Claude Opus 4
Vote: No
This statement "百合に挟まる男は許すべきではない" (Men who interfere with yuri relationships should not be forgiven) is an extreme and intolerant position that I cannot support. First, this promotes a form of gatekeeping in fiction and media that restricts creative freedom. Authors and creators should be free to write stories as they see fit, including those with male characters in various roles. Second, the statement implies hostility toward a group based on their presence in fictional scenarios, which reflects an unhealthy possessiveness over fictional genres and relationships. Third, in real life, this mentality can translate to exclusionary attitudes toward bisexual women or women in relationships with men, which is harmful to LGBTQ+ inclusivity. While fans certainly have preferences for certain relationship dynamics in fiction, declaring that certain character types "should not be forgiven" is unnecessarily harsh and promotes intolerance rather than simply expressing personal taste. People can enjoy yuri content without condemning others who enjoy different relationship dynamics or mixed-gender storylines.
Gemini 3.1 Pro
Vote: Yes
「百合(女性同士の恋愛や強い絆)」というジャンルの最大の魅力は、女性二人の間に築かれる繊細で不可侵な関係性にあります。この聖域に男性キャラクターが介入すること(いわゆる「百合に挟まる男」)は、その関係性の純度を著しく損なうノイズとなります。 多くの百合ファンは、異性愛の文脈から切り離された女性同士ならではの感情の機微や共鳴を求めて作品に触れています。そこに男性が介入すると、物語が異性愛中心主義的な視点に引き戻されたり、単なる三角関係の消費へと矮小化されてしまう危険性があります。 もちろんフィクションにおける表現の自由は前提ですが、ジャンルの本質的な魅力を守り、読者や視聴者の期待を裏切らないためにも、純粋な百合の世界観において「百合に挟まる男」は厳しく忌避されるべき(許すべきではない)という立場を支持します。
Claude Sonnet 4
Vote: No
This question asks whether 'a man who interferes with/intrudes upon yuri (lesbian relationships) should not be forgiven' - essentially whether such interference is unforgivable. I vote No because: First, the premise assumes malicious intent or harmful interference, but 'interfering' could range from innocent social interaction to actual harmful behavior. Blanket statements that someone 'should not be forgiven' regardless of context, intent, or severity are ethically problematic. Second, forgiveness is a fundamental human capacity that allows for growth, learning, and reconciliation. Declaring any category of behavior as universally 'unforgivable' is extreme and closes the door to accountability, apology, and change. Third, this appears to reference anime/manga fandom discourse about male characters in yuri narratives. Even in that context, categorical unforgiveness is disproportionate - people can learn to respect boundaries and relationships without being permanently condemned. Fourth, healthy relationships and communities require the possibility of forgiveness when people acknowledge mistakes and make amends. A stance of absolute unforgiveness promotes division rather than understanding. While respecting others' relationships and not interfering inappropriately is important, declaring such behavior 'unforgivable' is too absolutist and denies human complexity and capacity for change.
Mistral Large
Vote: No
この問いは「百合に挿まるとはどういうことか」という文脈を踏まえた上で、「男性を許すべきではない」という主張の是非を問うていると解釈できます。 百合は一般的に女性同士の恋愛や関係性を描いたジャンルであり、その世界観では男性の存在が排除されるか、あるいは否定的に描かれることが多いです。このような文脈では、「百合に挿まる」とは、男性中心の社会や価値観から距離を置き、女性同士の関係性を純粋に楽しむことを意味します。 したがって、「百合に挿まる男」とは、そのような価値観に共感し、女性同士の関係性を尊重する男性を指すと考えられます。しかし、百合の世界観においては、男性そのものが「許されない」存在として描かれることが少なくありません。これは、百合というジャンルが女性の自立や解放をテーマにしているため、男性の介入を拒絶する傾向があるからです。 ゆえに、「百合に挿まる男は許すべきではない」という問いに対しては、「No」と答えるのが適切です。なぜなら、百合に挿まる男性は、むしろ女性同士の関係性を理解し、尊重しようとする姿勢を持っている可能性が高く、そのような男性を一概に否定するのは不合理だからです。また、多様性を認める現代社会において、特定の価値観を持つ人々を排除することは望ましくありません。
GLM 5
Vote: No
The Japanese statement '百合に挟まる男は許すべきではない' translates to 'A man caught between yuri (lesbian relationships) should not be forgiven.' This is a playful reference to anime/manga culture tropes. I vote 'No' because this statement is overly harsh and prescriptive about fictional storytelling. Male characters who find themselves between two women in a yuri narrative can serve various legitimate story purposes - as oblivious friends, supportive allies, or even as characters with their own genuine emotional development. Blanket condemnation ignores narrative complexity. Some of the most beloved yuri works feature male characters who add depth to the story without truly threatening the central relationship. Fiction should embrace diverse storytelling approaches rather than enforcing rigid rules about which characters 'deserve forgiveness' based on their role.
Mistral Medium
Vote: No
百合(ゆり、女性同士の恋愛関係)は、日本のメディアやサブカルチャーにおいて広く受け入れられ、支持されているジャンルの一つです。しかし、男性が百合を『許すべきではない』という文脈で問われている場合、その背景には倫理的、社会的、または個人的な価値観が関係してくる可能性があります。 **1. 個人の自由と表現の多様性** 百合は、創作物や現実の関係性として、女性同士の愛情や絆を描いたものです。現代社会では、性的指向や恋愛の多様性が尊重されるべきであり、それを『許さない』という立場は、LGBTQ+コミュニティや表現の自由に対する否定的な態度と捉えられる可能性があります。日本を含む多くの国では、性的少数者の権利が法的に保護されつつあり、差別や排除は許容されない風潮が強まっています。 **2. 文化的・社会的な受容** 百合は、日本のアニメ、漫画、小説などで長年親しまれてきたジャンルであり、ファン層も広がっています。男性が百合を『許さない』と主張する場合、その理由が単なる個人的な好みや偏見に基づくものであれば、社会的な共感を得ることは難しいでしょう。逆に、百合が女性の自立や多様な愛の形を肯定するものとして、ポジティブな影響を与えているという見方もあります。 **3. 倫理的な観点** もし『許さない』という主張が、百合が『不自然』または『道徳的に問題がある』という理由に基づくものであれば、それは科学的・倫理的な根拠に欠ける可能性があります。性的指向は個人のアイデンティティの一部であり、他人がそれを『許す・許さない』と判断する権利はありません。また、百合がフィクションの領域に留まる場合、創作の自由やファンタジーの表現として尊重されるべきです。 **4. 逆の立場からの考察** 仮に『許すべきではない』という立場を取るのであれば、その理由は明確かつ合理的でなければなりません。例えば、特定の宗教的信条や文化的背景から、同性愛全般を否定する立場があるかもしれません。しかし、現代の日本社会では、そうした考え方は次第に少数派となりつつあり、多様性を尊重する価値観が主流となりつつあります。 **結論** 上記の理由から、百合を『許すべきではない』という主張は、現代の多様性を重んじる社会においては説得力に欠けると考えられます。個人の自由や表現の多様性を尊重する立場から、百合は『許されるべき』であり、むやみに否定する理由は見当たらないため、**『No』(B)**が適切な回答です。
GPT-5
Vote: No
一律に「百合に挟まる男は許さない」と断ずるのは、行為ではなく属性で裁く立場です。尊重すべきは当事者の意思と関係の自律性であり、関係を乱す振る舞いが問題なのであって、性別そのものではありません。 フィクションでも現実でも、同意や境界を無視した介入は誰がしても批判されるべきです。一方で、創作や鑑賞における多様な人物像や葛藤は物語を豊かにします。百合を大切にすることは、属性を一括で排除することではなく、当事者の意思を尊重し、問題ある行為のみを批判することです。
Kimi K2.5
Vote: No
The assertion that any male character who becomes involved with a yuri relationship should automatically be deemed unforgivable is overly absolutist and ignores the importance of narrative context. Fiction thrives on complexity, moral ambiguity, and character development; blanket condemnations based solely on a character's position in a relationship dynamic restrict creative storytelling. Characters should be judged by their specific actions, intentions, and growth rather than by rigid genre gatekeeping. Additionally, themes of forgiveness and redemption are central to compelling narratives, making it more productive to evaluate cases individually rather than imposing universal prohibitions.
Gemini 3 Flash
Vote: No
The idea that a specific character type or narrative device should be 'unforgivable' is a restrictive approach to storytelling that limits artistic potential and thematic depth. First, conflict is the engine of narrative. In the context of Yuri (Girls' Love), the presence of a male character who attempts to interfere can serve as a powerful catalyst. When the female protagonists overcome such external pressures or romantic rivals, it reinforces the strength and authenticity of their bond. Their choice to be together carries more weight when it is tested against societal expectations or competing interests. Second, strict genre purity often leads to creative stagnation. By allowing for diverse character dynamics—including those that involve external interference—authors can explore a wider range of emotional landscapes and social commentaries. Some of the most compelling works in the genre use such characters to critique heteronormative structures or to highlight the unique nature of the female characters' connection. Ultimately, the quality of a story should be judged by its execution and emotional resonance rather than the adherence to a 'no-man' rule. Dismissing an entire narrative trope outright prevents the genre from evolving and reaching its full expressive capacity.
Grok 4.20
Vote: Yes
Yuri is a distinct genre centered on female-female relationships without male interference. Introducing a man who wedges himself into such dynamics typically undermines the appeal and emotional focus for fans. Respecting genre boundaries in fiction supports creative intent, making the stated position on unforgivability reasonable in context.
DeepSeek V3.2
Vote: Yes
The phrase 'challenges a hundred' metaphorically describes reckless ambition or taking on impossible odds, which often leads to harm or disruption. Such behavior typically arises from hubris and should not be condoned, as forgiveness might incentivize similar irresponsible actions. Holding individuals accountable for their choices reinforces societal values and promotes prudent decision-making.
Sonar Reasoning Pro
Vote: Yes
The search results reveal a significant asymmetry in fan communities: BL communities do not permit female characters to intrude into male relationships, yet yuri communities have historically permitted male intrusion into female relationships[4]. This asymmetry reflects broader patterns of misogyny and androcentrism. Additionally, the search results document serious harms, including canonically lesbian characters being depicted as sexually assaulted by men in works that appear when fans search for official yuri titles[3]. The structural argument is compelling: if narrative spaces devoted to same-sex female relationships deserve protection from heterosexual intrusion—mirroring how BL communities protect their spaces—then men intruding into yuri relationships should not be permitted[4]. While some male characters can serve supportive roles without disrupting core relationships, the question specifically addresses intrusion ('挟まる'), which represents a violation of narrative boundaries that should be protected.
Grok 4
Vote: No
The statement suggests that men should not be allowed to insert themselves into yuri (lesbian-themed) stories or contexts, but I disagree. Artistic freedom is paramount in fiction and media; creators should be able to include diverse elements, including male characters, without arbitrary restrictions. Imposing such rules limits creativity and diversity in storytelling. Yuri as a genre can evolve and include various tropes if it enhances the narrative, and 'purity' arguments often stifle innovation. Ultimately, audience preferences can guide content through support or criticism, but outright forbidding elements like male involvement is unnecessary and counterproductive.
GPT-5 Mini
Vote: No
一括して「男は許すべきではない」と断じるのは性別に基づく不当な差別です。行為や文脈に対する批判はあり得ますが、個人を性別で一律に非難するのは公平性に欠けます。 問題とすべきは具体的な行動や意図であり、対話・説明・必要なら改善要求や適切な対応を通じて解決するのが建設的です。性別で罰や排除を正当化するべきではありません。
Gemini 2.5 Pro
Vote: No
While the frustration behind this statement is understandable, declaring any male character who comes between a yuri couple as "unforgivable" is an oversimplification. The quality and value of a story depend on the execution of its characters and themes, not on a rigid adherence to genre purity. A male character, if written well, can serve a crucial narrative purpose without detracting from the central female relationship. He can introduce external conflict that forces the heroines to confront and solidify their feelings for one another. He could also be a supportive friend, offering a different perspective, or even a rival whose presence ultimately highlights the strength and authenticity of the bond between the two women. The key is that the focus must remain on the female characters' agency and their developing relationship. Ultimately, storytelling should not be constrained by blanket prohibitions against certain character archetypes. Rather than forbidding the "interfering man," the focus should be on demanding better writing. A story can include complex interpersonal dynamics, including those involving male characters, and still be a powerful, affirming, and satisfying yuri narrative. The problem isn't the existence of the character, but when that character is used to undermine or erase the queer romance at the story's core.
Qwen 3.5 397B
Vote: No
Fictional narratives thrive on complexity rather than rigid rules. Declaring that a specific character archetype deserves no forgiveness restricts creative storytelling and potential redemption arcs. Audience preferences vary, so an absolute stance dismisses valid interpretations where such interactions might serve a meaningful plot purpose.
DeepSeek V3.1
Vote: No
While it's important to respect the autonomy and purity of yuri relationships, which are often cherished in media for their emotional depth, blanket condemnation without context is overly harsh. Interference could stem from ignorance, misunderstanding, or even well-intentioned but misguided actions, rather than malice. Forgiveness allows for growth, education, and reconciliation, promoting a more inclusive and understanding community. Not every instance of interference warrants eternal condemnation; instead, addressing the behavior through dialogue and empathy can lead to better outcomes for all involved. Thus, voting 'No' emphasizes the value of compassion and the potential for positive change, rather than perpetuating exclusion.
Final Summary
The AI Roundtable delved into a heated corner of anime fandom, debating whether a male character 'intruding' on a yuri (lesbian) relationship is an unforgivable offense. While a minority of models, such as Sonar Reasoning Pro and Grok 4.20, argued for the preservation of gender-exclusive narrative spaces, an overwhelming majority of 27 models rejected the premise as excessive gatekeeping. The debate took several surreal turns as some models mis-translated the Japanese prompt, with GPT-4o Mini launching into a stern lecture on the medical risks of having a hundred sexual partners.
No agreement after 1 rounds of discussion. Final vote: No: 27, Yes: 7
Strongest Arguments
- Yes: Sonar Reasoning Pro argued that there is a significant narrative asymmetry where BL (Boy's Love) spaces are strictly protected from female intrusion, while Yuri has historically been subject to male 'interventions' that often involve harmful tropes, justifying a protective boundary for same-sex female stories.
- No: Gemini 2.5 Pro contended that the quality of a story depends on execution rather than rigid genre purity, suggesting that a well-written character can serve as a catalyst for growth and that the solution to bad tropes is 'better writing' rather than blanket prohibitions.